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Online Text of King Lear


Finally, as you move into the resolution, consider Lear's observation that he is, "A man more sinned against than sinning." For Gloucester, blindness breeds clarity and Lear observers, "What, art mad? A man may see how this world goes with no eyes. Look with thine ears."We will carry this discussion, as well as a discussion of the parallel to Oedipus' blindness, in the final blog session.-Kathy Saunders
Use the guidelines above, as well as your own inquiry to lead the last blog.

Please note the repetitiveness of Lear's words. In Act IV he claims, ..."kill, kill, kill, kill." In Act V he will impart..."howl, howl, howl, howl..." and at the peak of his despair, "...never, never, never, never." Challenge yourself to consider why Shakespeare, the wordsmith, uses this approach.
As usual, King Lear believes that he hasn’t committed any sins and that everyone else has treated him wrongly and acted terribly. King Lear’s mind set of this is evident throughout the entire play until he is reunited with Cordelia when he asks Cordelia to “forget and forgive.” This change in his character shows that even the most regal make mistakes, because Lear is human and imperfect. Like Oedipus’ blindness, I believe that Gloucester’s blindness suggests or symbolizes how clouded his judgment was when it came to Edmund and Edgar. Gloucester was blind sighted by the actual truth about the brothers and his illegitimate child, and finally once he has lost his sight he learns the truth. Finally, I re-read Act V to find the repeated words. I’m not too sure about why Shakespeare would repeat the words, other than for emphasis and to heighten emotions. Would someone explain further? Also, if Albany saw Goneril’s evil side why did he stay with her, why didn’t he separate from her long before she died? (Emery Bulla)

I agree with most of what Emmi said above. King Lear still thinks that nothing is his fault, but that is probably because of the madness that he STILL has. He does, however, have some realizations within himself about his life, and how he had treated other people, including Cordelia. With Gloucester, I do see blindness as a clarity, and it goes along with "do the blind actually see more?" It was after he was blinded whenever he realized that the son he had loved ALL along was actually his enemy, and the son he had HATED all along, was actually his savior. One of the only reasons I could see Shakespeare making Lear repeat "kill" and "howl" is to emphasize just how much emotion he is putting out in those moments. I really don't see another reason why he would repeat those words over and over again. And Emmi, I have NO clue why Albany stayed, that was a question I had as well. I think that it is kind of stupid of him for staying, UNLESS he knew the outcome of BOTH of the sisters already, which he could have. (Kerstin)

I agree with you Kerstin sometimes the some simple words mean more than the big ones. Shakespeare used simple words that ordinary people could understand well. And about the Goneril and Albany, I think that he is just like those girls who are abused by their husbands and still stay, it the same concept. Janneth

I agree with both Emmi and Kerstin. By the time that Act V occurs, Lear drifts in and out of sanity. I think that because he lacks a good state of mind, he doesn't really understand the gravity of some of his wrongs, until Cordelia comes back and he asks her to "forgive and forget" what he had done. I completely agree with you guys on the blindness as a clarity. Before his blindness, Gloucester was somewhat naive to the evil of Edmund. But after he became blind, he receives a wake up call not only to what his son has done, but also to the evil that is evident in Regan and Goneril's courts. Like Kerstin said, I think the reason Shakespeare repeats "kill," "howl," and "never" is to emphasize the gravity of Lear's emotions at that point in time, and also a bit because of his lack of sanity. While he is repeating these words, I think he is losing some of his mind and his heart is breaking. And Emmi, I think part of the reason Albany stays with Goneril is because he hasn't known anything else and probably thought it was normal. Also, I think he wouldn't know who/where to go to if he left Goneril, because he would probably be left with nothing.

I agree with what all of you have said, and i really like the parrelle about Glouchester's blindness. I believe Shakespeer uses the repetition on words "Kill, Howl, and Never" to imprint these dramatic scenes into the audiences mind. Yes, Shakespeer was a master of words but in essence, this use of repitition was the perfect way to dramatize the scene as well as make the scene memorable and make us give those words some thoughts. Also, Lear was saying these things in an emption so dramtic and deep that simply saying these words once wouldnt have the same effect. As for "A man more sinned agaisnt than sinning" I completley agree. Lear may have disowned his father but the evil and disgusting selfishness of raegan and Goneril towards him was worse, they completly destroyed a man's whole life, his sanity, his kingdom and his only true loving daughter (Cole).

I agree with Emmi. The repetion of certain words point out the importance of the word. I feel as though watching everyone pass drove the remanding living characters more crazy. Gloucester's blindness is symbolism of the blindness of King Lear. King Lear's blindness was by chose, any neither was Gloucester Gloucester allowed himself to become blinded by the truth. He believed what he wanted to, but a lot of betrayal helped in this situation. I also agree with Jenneth when she dai that simple words being repeated has a harder-hitting effect. The short, easy, negative words get the point across. The have such deep meaning, that the plainness of the words is an art. The emotions in the rotamentary words help Illuminate the pain that the King felt his last few seconds before death. The ending was deceiving You think that karma has finally caught up and the long-time-coming punishment finally falls on the evil step-sisters. When King walks in with a dead Cordelia in his arms, the whole mode and awaiting Happily Ever After crumbles.(Cheyenne)

I agree with Emmi also. From the beginning to the end you can see the change in Lear's attitude and his out look on the world. i feel that Lear learned not to act in a rude manner to someone because they come off different than his views.Gloucester's blindness shows that he believes in someone too much when he knows who they are. Since he thought he knew Edmund so well he was betrayed. Which lead him to his son, Edgar. Would you consider Gloucester's story a reflection of Lear's story? I see this because they both get betrayed by their own child, they both had a difficult obstacle that they had to overcome (Lear's was his guilt that lead him to his insanity and Gloucester's blindness), and they both figured out what was best for them when it was too late. When reading the words that Shakespeare repeats he seems to do them in like a build up passion. For example when he says "...never, never, never, never..." it makes you feel as if Lear wanted to say more but he couldn't find the right words that would state his feelings. (Haley)

Lear is defiantly "A man more sinned against than sinning" He might have done Cordillia wrong by not giving her a piece of the kingdom, be he suffered above and beyond. All of his daughters died, as well as the king himself. His sin was forgiven by Cordillia, yet he continued to get punished until the end. Karma, man. I think Lear means that to look with thine ears is a way to wade through the lies, and see the real picture. Don't let artificial love and care get in the way of the real deal. Blindness opens up the senses, which causes a person to "see" more clearly than before. He finally sees the world how it is (through madness), and yet it is still to late to fix it. Lear's repetitiveness to me, stands for his direct, somewhat primal, emotions. "never" makes sense because he will never see or hear or feel his daughter again. "Howl" because that's what animals do when in pain, it is showing just how in touch (even in madness) he actually is to the human being, and nature in general. "Kill" obviously because his primal instincts start becoming known, and he is angry. It is all a show of VERY raw emotions, and just how open Lear becomes at the end. (Shae)

I agree more with what Shae is saying then anyone else. Lear did some pretty messed up things but given his mental state it isn't near as much his fault as the fault of his failing mind. The man had a very difficult last part of his life and due to that allot of people tried to screw him over. I think that when Lear is talking about looking with thine ears, he means that if you just pay attention to what you hear and not how things look it is allot easier to wade though all the bull people leave behind. Think about all the times in your life that people have tricked you because of what you see? I think Lear was thinking about those kinds of things. I think that the repetition of words is used to show the extreme of Lear's emotion, but I can't find much deeper meaning. (Ethan)

I agree with everything that has been said about King Lear and his repetition of words. They show how extreme his emotions were at the time. However, I also see them as filling an empty space. When people are frustrated, but can't stand the silence, they might repeat a word such as "howl" or "kill" as a summary of how they feel while trying to think of a better way to explain their emotions. Besides, his madness was at a peak and his heart was failing. Also, Edgar helped Gloucester in the end, even though he was treated unfairly. Gloucester didn't realize that it was Edgar at first, so he was "looking with his ears" as Lear might say. He was a man more sinned against than sinning.

I agree with Kerstin and Janneth that simple words would make the audience understand the situation better, rather than placing words that would only confuse readers. The repetition of words would also emphasize the importance of it and would make the meaning more clear. (Zorida)

Shakespeares use of repetition in King ear emphasizes the importance of the little words which make a huge impact on the message that is trying to me sent. Lear repeats the words kill, howl, and never when he feels the most hurt and vulnerable. He repeats these words to emphasize his emotions and like Ethan said "to fill in the empty spaces" which could be replaced by specific quotes that express how he feels. When Lear says he is, "A man more sinned against than sinning." I believe that he finally realizes that he has been fooled and hurt more than what he has done to others. Lear acknowledges that the harm that was done to him is worse than what he has done to those around him. It is great that he realizes this because it shows that he does have some better understanding of what is going on around him. When Lear says, "What, art mad? A man may see how this world goes with no eyes. Look with thine ears." he expresses the easiness of understanding the world through not just your eyes but with all of your other senses put together. Seeing doesn't always have to involve just your eyesight by also your heart. He basically states that we shouldn't be closed-minded by just seeing with your eyes. He can express himself this way because he has had to learn the hard way that you should be aware of what goes on around you or else you'll be a fool. (Yoali)

Act IV

I love the thoughtful responses and the care taken to post in a timely manner.
When I consider the falling action, I have to remind myself that is actually progress toward the resolution and that the resolution, while typically holding a positive connotation, may not be the ending I prefer.

The comments on the weather in juxtaposition to Lear's mental storm are wonderful! Nature, particularly in the tradegies, reflects the inner struggle of major characters and/or makes a commentary on human nature vs. nature. I know we discussed setting this week and I hope that you continue to reflect on the synthesis of nature/setting/characterization as you complete your study of King Lear.

It is completely appropriate to share your own personal connections/anectdotes as you share your analysis. Often, the personal connections engage us in the plot and help us to remember the details. For example. Cordelia's loyalty to her father reminds me of my sister, Lori, and how she has continued her loyalty and care for my mother despite her dimentia. There are times when hurtful things are said and Lori, being the one physically closest to my mother, gets her lion-share of the hostility.
Please note the repetitiveness of Lear's words. In Act IV he claims, ..."kill, kill, kill, kill." In Act V he will impart..."howl, howl, howl, howl..." and at the peak of his despair, "...never, never, never, never." Challenge yourself to consider why Shakespeare, the wordsmith, uses this approach.

Finally, as you move into the resolution, consider Lear's observation that he is, "A man more sinned against than sinning." For Gloucester, blindness breeds clarity and Lear observers, "
What, art mad? A man may see how this world goes with no eyes. Look with thine ears."We will carry this discussion, as well as a discussion of the parallel to Oedipus' blindness, in the final blog session.-Kathy Saunders

Ask questions of each other and respond in a timely manner.

Do you think Ragan will end up with Edmund, since she is now a widow? (Janneth) I actually think that they might get together, but if they do they will be killed very shortly thereafter. (Ethan) I think that Regan will attempt to marry Edmund, seeing as she showed some kind of emotion (jealousy, maybe) when Oswald was being the messenger between Goneril and Edmund. Later even saying “And more convenient is he for my hand/ Than for your lady’s” as if she does not want Goneril to have Edmund as her own. (Zorida) I think that her and Goneril with try to both get with him, and end up getting angry with each other, so neither one of them will get with him. (Kerstin) I think that Regan and Goneril will come to some type of fight over Edmund since they are the type of women that fight and step whom ever they want in order to get it. If they fight, it will provide a certain kind of karma because they will harm each other over something foolish. (Yoali)

Do you think that Gloucester has come to the realization that Edgar has been there for him through everything?
Yes, he has called Gloucester father several times. (Ethan)

Could both of the sisters love for Edmund mean a foreshadwoing do them hating each other and eventually killing each other (Cole). I think you're right Cole, it could be a hint to the ending of the play. They are selfish and would fight their own blood to get what they want, as we can see with them attacking their own father. (Janneth)
It could but I think more people will die then just them. I think that it would be more like them using their knights to try to kill each other and all kinds of people being killed in the end. Shakesperian tragedies always end with bodies strewn all overt the place. In Romeo and Juliet six people die and four of them are in the final act (possibly the final scene). (Ethan)

What do you think will happen with Lear in his growing madness? (Ethan) After seeing how much he changed when coming in contact with Cordelia I believe he will gain some of his sanity back because he will be able to trust someone. (Emery) I think that after all of the stress, his madness might slow down a bit, but I don't think it will ever go away. (Kerstin) I agree with Emmy. Now that Lear has talked to Cordelia, he is more responsive to his surroundings and seems like hes gained some sanity. (Yoali)

I think that he may be able to come to some sort of peace or rest from his maddness but Cordelia will have to take close care of him (Cole).

What do Regan and Goneril see in Edmund to make them love him so much? (Emery) It might be because he was the "favorite" one of his father, Gloucester, and he is young, and much better looking than their own husbands. (Kerstin)

Does Gloucester STILL seem to not realize that the "poor man" with him is Edgar, even with Edgar's hints (Calling him father, calling Edmind his brother, etc.)? I think that Gloucester is a little bit ill, mentally, because of the trauma he received from Cornwall and Regan. Hopefully, as the play continues, he will recover and completely recognize Edgar. (Yoali)

Do ya'll think Albany's monolouge slamming Goneril is foreshadowing Goneril and Ragan's fate? Also, was it me or did even more of Goneril's evil spirit show up when she found out she was a widow? (Scene II) (Cole)
You have desecrated our English blog with the term "y'all" and thus I should not answer this but, yes I agree with the latter part of your statement. (Ethan)

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1-Consider the role of nature in "King Lear" and evaluate how it synthesizes with the characters to enhance the theme?

The nature in "King Lear" matches the mood of the chatacters. For example, King Lear was depressed and lost while nature was messy and out of control. (Haley)

Ragan and Cordelia are evil, and nature has a dark and stormy feel to it. There is also a war going on, and what best describes evil than a war. (Janneth)

I agree with Haley and Janneth about how the weather seems to reflect the general mood of the action happening. At the same time I also think that the weather has to do with the mistaken identity in the play. The more people are disguised and gone the darker and worse it gets. Not only was Lear depressed and lost when it was storming but he was also surrounded by those who had been wronged and had to be concealed from him. The problem with reading the book and not seeing the action is, it is hard to see the weather. When Gloucester was attempting to kill himself I saw it as a nice day but at the same time I had no reason to think that. If weather reflects the mood of the play it still should have been overcast and raining. (Ethan) I really like the way that you pulled in mistaken identities, I never even thought of that! (Emery)

The role of nature does seem to reflect the character’s mood and actions. Like how Gloucester wants to be taken to the “cliff whose high and bending head/ Looks fearfully in the confined deep,” I feel as though it might have something to do with how he might fell: A bent head to describe how he feels being betrayed by his son and then fearful of the outcomes of the evil taking place. (Zorida)

I agree with Ethan, Haley and Zorida on this one. Shakespeare’s use of nature mimics King Lear’s actions/emotions. When reading these past few acts the storm that ensues symbolizes the chaos in Lear’s brain as well as the anger he is feeling from Regan and Goneril’s “filial ingratitude.” Lear believes that the storm is causing him to replay the betraying actions of his “tigers, not daughters.” I also agree with Janneth’s statement. When I think of storms I think of anger, and evil. I also believe the location of certain places, such as the cliff symbolizes freedom, the freedom of mind Gloucester wants after being blinded and feeling helpless. (Emery)

I agree with what everyone has said, but I do feel as if the nature/weather in the play ONLY works with how Lear is feeling. If you think of how the weather looks with how everyone else is feeling, it doesn't really fit, so I think it only fits with how Lear is feeling at that moment. Whenever his madness grows, the darkness of the play grows, but the more calm he is, the more calm the play grows. (Kerstin)

I agree that the weather resembles Lear's emotions. In the beginning, was losing it and soon there was that awful storm. Now we see that the weather is clearing when Gloucester was going to commit suicide; Lear reunited with Cordelia and was slowly regaining his consciousness. (Yoali)

I agree with Kerstin, Lear seems to be the reason for the weather, but at the same time, if you look at the rest of the play, the charactors are all distraught, confused, angry, depressed. or along those lines. Which are all reflected in the weather throughout the play (Cole).

I also agree with Kerstin on this one becasue like Kerstin said, the weather only seems to make real sense and come together when Lear's mood changes. but at the same time i really like what Ethan was saying about the weather correlating with the mistaken identities. (Jordan)

I agree with what everyone has said. The storms seem to follow Lear's feelings and the mess that his mind has become. I think everyone has felt like like there has been a major storm going on in their head at some point in time and Shakespeare brought Lear's mind to life through the storms (Miranda).

3-How is the plot structure (falling action) supported in Act IV?

In Act IV you can see the plot structure leading you to the end of the story by the way that everything is beginning to relax and come back. King Lear was insane and had no clue who he was at the end of Act III now at the end of Act IV he is remembering who he is and what has happened. (Haley) Even though it doesn't really indicate it in the play, do you believe that the skies are clearing due to King Lear showing that his brain is less cloudy compared to how it was? (Emery) I think that is a good reason why. (Kerstin)

In act IV everyone in the play is finding out what the readers already knows, like Goneril being evil and cruel. Albany thinks that she is “not worth the dust which the rude wind blows in your face” because of what she did to her own father. Gloucester’s is not seen as the criminal but they pity him, and Cornwall is dead for his bad doings. Like Haley said everything is beginning to relax and the antagonists are getting what they deserve. I also agree with Haley about King Lear, that is a great example of falling action. (Janneth)

See I think that Lear isn't getting better. He is almost constantly in a state of forgetfulness and remembering flashes of his past does not really constitute recovery. At the same time I think the falling action is shown in the ways that the people who are loyal to Lear are slowly coming back into the story as themselves and not needing to be disguised or in a country away from him. (Ethan)

I agree with everyone that the falling action is leading to the end of the story and how every antagonist is getting what they deserve and everyone is finding out who is really evil. You also got King Lear resting in the French camp, with Cordelia close by so we might see some forgiveness and reconciliation like King Lear said, “Pray you now, forget and forgive: I am/ old and foolish. (Zorida)

Like Janneth said the characters are discovering what we, as the readers, already know. Act IV represents more of the “falling action” in the play because “good” has begun to emerge. Cordelia is back and saved King Lear even though she had “some cause” not to. Kent’s “made intent” had yet to be completed, but he has almost carried it out. (Emery)

I agree with what everyone has said here. Everything is starting to become calm within the protagonists, and the antagonists are starting to recieve some of the things that they really deserve. I also think that the antagonists are going to go against each other, while to protagonists work together. (Kerstin)

i too agree with everything everyone has said. I really like the way Zorida put it when she simply said that in the end all the bad guys and evil doers will have their plans foiled and they"ll get what they deserve. Haley makes a good point when she says that the weather is clearing up which in turn helps Lear think straight. (Jordan)

In my opinion, Cordelia's reappearance highlights the falling action of the play. She has been gone for some time, but she shows up again and tries to help her father out of his madness. Of course, the evils of the antagonists are being exposed too, and Regan is after Edmund now that her husband is deceased. (Miranda)

In Act IV, we have gotten past the dramatic climax in the last Act, and we are now seeing all of the play begginig to wrap up into a conclusion. As Mrs. Saunders has been saying, the main theme is good prevailing over evil and as we go through Act IV we are definatly seeing this come into play (Cole).

This act had very interesting parts. One main thing that we see could was that some people were revealing their true identity to the other characters. Finally they can see what the reader has known all along. (Yoali)

4-Who is/are emerging as the hero(es)?

I see Kent and Gloucester. Kent has broght King Lear back even after Lear banished him. Gloucester saved King Lear from being killed which caused Gloucester to lose his eye sight. (Haley)

Edgar is emerging as a hero because of his journey of being loyalty and being poor tom, as well as his kind heart. Regardless of his tragedy, being banished from his fathers kingdom, he still protects his father and doesn’t let him die. (Janneth) I strongly agree with these statements. Edgar has always been there for his father, much like Cordelia was always trying to help her father. I also believe that Kent is an emerging hero because of how he helped Cordelia and Lear.

I see Kent and Edgar as emerging heroes because of their loyalty and kindness to those who have done them wrong. I see Gloucester as a good man but not necessarily a hero. (Ethan) I too believed that Gloucester was a good man, but I after seeing his loyalty for the King I believe he is a hero. He sacrificed his self, not just his sight, for the well-being and safety of King Lear. (Emery)

I see Edgar as becoming an emerging hero, like Janneth said he does have a kind heart and at some point no longer wants to disguise himself from his father, who now has no eyes. Later when Oswald finds Edgar and Gloucester, he even duels with Oswald to protect his father from his death. (Zorida)

I believe the emerging heroes are Kent, Cordelia, Edgar and Gloucester. These four characters are the four that have stuck to Lear’s side for the majority of the play. Even though Cordelia has “no cause” to show loyalty to her father, she does show him that loyalty because she is kind-hearted. This is also true for Edgar and his father, Gloucester. Even though I thought Kent was going to be a submissive for Cordelia, he turned out to be working with Cordelia to save her father. Kent’s loyalty to both Cordelia, and King Lear show that he really cares for both of them and their safety as well as their happiness. (Emery)

I agree with everyone again, and I think Kent, Cordelia, Edgar, and Gloucester are emerging as the real heroes. Crodelia and Kent, because of their loyalty to King Lear throughout the whole play, even though they may have seemed to be "off to the side" the whole time, and Kent disguised himself just to stay with Lear. Edgar is a hero, because of his loyalty to his father, disgusing himself to stay with him, and protecting him throughout the whole play. I also think Gloucester is a hero because of his loyalty and sacrifice for Lear. (Kerstin)

To me, like everyone else has said, the heroes are Kent and Cordelia. I like how Emmi said that Cordelia never really had a reason or purpose to be loyal to her father other than the fact that she loved him. Kent was always loyal to the king since the very begining and like Kerstin said disguised himself to protect him. (Jordan)

I think that the heroes are Kent, Gloucester. Cordelia, and Edgar. These characters have stayed loyal, honest, and true to their word since the beginning of the play. Although Kent and Edgar are disguised, they portray humble and poor people which shows that they are honest people withing their fine clothes. Gloucester defend Lear and Cordelia forgave him when she had all the right reasons to hate him. (Yoali)


1-Identify and defend your choice of scene as the climax of the play
For me, Act III brings thoughts of both Oedipus and How to Read... with regard to blindness and the truth. This reminds me of the the biblical quote, "There are none so blind as those who cannot see." After all, Tiresias was a blind prophet and Shakespeare loved Greek theatre.-Kathy Saunders
I think the climax of the story takes place in scene seven of act three. I believe this to be true because most of the conflict in this act is found in scene seven. Reagan and Goneril prepare for war, a servant is killed, Cornwall takes “the chance of anger” and is wounded, and Gloucester is blinded after staying loyal to his king. Cornwall gouges out both of Gloucester’s eyes because he has been an “ingrateful fox.” Not only does Gloucester lose one of the most important senses, he learns that Edmund is “too good to pity thee, ” and that his illegitimate child had lied to him about Edgar. (Emery) I agree with Emmi on this, because scene seven is the one with the most "action." Not only do we get to see even MORE of how evil Reagan and Goneril are, but we also get to see two forms of violence between Cornwall and Gloucester, and one of Cornwall's servants. This scene also opens up other things that were not seen before, such as Gloucester's realization on certain things. (Kerstin) I would say that the climax of this act would be scene 7. I chose this scene because at this point they catch Gloucester and blind him for help King Lear. He also finds out that his son betrayed him. I found it interesting that the servant of Cornwall was killed trying to help Gloucester. Usually when you think of a servant you think of someone who is loyal to their master. (Haley) Just like everyone else i agree with the climax being when Reagan and Goneril find out that Glucesters is hiding King Lear and they go to war. The climax has a lot of action, with Cornwall being injured and Gloucester's eye being gouged, and we are left wondering what is going to happen to King Lear. (Janneth)
I agree, the climax is definitely in scene seven. The scene opens with Cornwall, Regan, Goneril, and Edmund preparing for war and searching for the "traitor," Gloucester. Gloucester's eyes are gouged out by Cornwall, a servant is killed for defending him, and Cornwall is badly wounded. Gloucester, finally realizing the evil of Edmund, is left to "sniff his way" to Dover with the madman-in-disguise, Edgar. And, like Janneth said, we are left wondering what will happen to King Lear. (Mara) I'm a little confused in the war from French that they keep talking about. Can anybody elaborate?
I think that the climax is in scene six whenever Gloucester speaks for the second time telling about the plot to kill the king. I feel the actual plot unfolding is a more falling action type of thing but whenever it is shown to us that the king must run for his life (in the middle of his fit of madness none the less) is what I consider to be the highest point in the story. (Ethan)
I have to disagree with the majority of you who thing that the climax is in Scene 7. In Scene 5, you will see all of the conning, and fraudulent things that Edmund put into place come to a boil over the top. When Corwall says "Now I realize your brother tried to kill your father not just because your brother is an evil man, but because your father deserved it by being wicked himself.", it shows that evi Edmund has Cornwall in his grasps and he's about to win. Evil never wins. So, agreeing with Ethan, I think when all the action comes in scene 7, that's more of a falling action. All the characters are letting out their feelings, and it's a major turning point into the action. (Shae Hicks)

There are many disguises is this Act and I agree that the whole play revolves around false appearances, but Edmund has by far the most costumes. He plays his brother to his father so he could become the favorite son, then he decides he is going to betray his father to Cornwall so that he could become "Earl of Gloucester." He does, and this causes all the false appearances to be washed away from Reagan and Goneril. You finally see how twisted and wicked these sisters really are. Reagan commands Cornwall to gauges out Gloucester's eyes. These sisters have finally become about as mad as their father. ~CheyennI
I would say that the Climax is in scene 7, scene seven sets up what the falling action of this play will be. we see the true evils of Raegan and Goneriel in this scene as well as predictions of how the rest of the play will be. Also in this scene we see a host of turn of events and action (duel between servant and cornwall, Gloucester is captured and his eyes are gouged and Cornwall is injured). Like Mara said, Gloucester sees Edmunds evil and the plot to kill King Lear beggining to unfold by his daughters. I was wandering where exactly Cordila is and where she will show up again in the story as well as what will happen to King Lear. (Cole)
I agree with everyone who says scene 7. Because like Cole said, this is where a majority of the action happens and secrets begin to unravel cause of it and plans fall apart. I can see where Ethan was coming from, but i honestly feel that that would be more of a build up to the climax rather than the climax itself. (Jordan)
I agree with everyone, and say that the climax would be in scene 7. Like Kerstin said, we do get to see more of the real Regan and Goneril and just how evil they are, and later even when Regan pulls the sword and kills the servant. It is also the point that is going to lead us to the falling action after everyone is starting to uncover the truth, such as when Reagan reveals to Gloucester that it was Edmund "that made the overture of thy treasons." (Zorida)
I must agree with the majority. Scene 7 has the most action, making it the climax. The tension built up in previous scenes is finally released as Gloucester is blinded, a servant is killed, Cornwall is wounded and Goneril and Regan prepare for war. (Miranda)
I agree that the climax was defiantly in Scene 7 due to the increasing violence and frustration among the characters. We see the disagreements and feuds between Lear and his daughters, the attack on Gloucester. I enjoyed reading this scene because we can finally see the way that the characters react to one another when there are feuds and dissagreements to unjust situations. (Yoali)

2-Evaluate the theme of false appearances
I find myself wondering here if Shakespeare is making a societal statement or perhaps venting his disgust in a more pointed way. The concept of false appearances is one that is completely relatable for most participants in the action, that is the you, the audience. Dramatic irony is truly one of his greatest triumphs in engaging the audience/reader in the action. Kathy Saunders I’m not exactly sure what to say about false appearances other than many of Lear’s followers are disguised. Kent and Edgar are the two of Lear’s supporters and feel as if they can’t reveal themselves until they are proven innocent (III. vi. 105-110). I think that they feel so strongly about protecting Lear that they will go to any lengths to be by his side. I do wonder though- if your disguised as someone else can you really be true to yourself? (Emery) I agree with Emmi once again. Kent has to be disguised because he was banished by Lear, but he still feels loyal to his king, and wants to help him in any way that he can. Edgar was "framed" by his brother, Edmund, so he has to disguise himself as a "madman" to not get caught by his father, Gloucester, who banished him. Maybe later on in the book, they will reveal themselves whenever they are truly innocent. I also agree with Emmi whenever she asks "if you are disguised as someone else, can you really by true to yourself?" I have that same question myself. (Kerstin) I was confused about Tom? Though that could be a false appearance for Edgar to help King Lear gets out of harm’s way. Also I seen that they talked about having spies in the different households, could that be a false appearance? (Haley) I agree with Emery. Kent disguised himself so that he could continue to serve Lear. He also seems eager to help resolve the issue between Lear's daughters seeing how he protected Cordelia back in Act 1. False appearances often get people caught up in who they want to be and who they really are. (Miranda) I agree with Emmi, sure Kent and Edgar want to protect lear with their own life and will stop at nothing but their false apperances cannot last them the rest of the story, i predict that Shakespeere will reveal them and the outcome may not be the prettiest. Mara i believe is also making a great point, everyone seems to be wearing a disgues in some form except Cordelia (Cole)
The whole play revolves around false appearances, stating with King Lears daughters. Regan and Goneril start of as great daughters who love their father very much. King Lear has no idea of their true self's until later on in the play. And just like every one else I agree Edgar and Edmund also fit this category very well. Edgar is poor tom, fooling every, especially his father that states to kill him at sight. Edmund is just like Regan and Goneril, he is pretending to be the best son, but at the end wants his father killed.(Janneth)
I agree with Emmi and Kerstin. Kent and Edgar both defend Lear on numerous occasions, but can't "reveal" their true identities lest they be hurt or killed. I think Regan and Goneril are false appearances in a way because they played a sweet, loving face to their father to get what they wanted, and now they are being exposed for how evil they really are. I think it's ironic that all of King Lear's followers are in disguise, "insane," or in France...(Mara)
I feel that Miranda has made an interesting statement in point out the fact that the people in this are getting mixed up between who they want to be and who they really are and how to synthesize the two in order to meet their own ends. I also think the point Mara made about all Lear's followers being in a state other then their normal one is a point we should not lose sight of (Ethan) Like Ethan said, Miranda did make a very interesting point about people getting caught up in who they want to be as well as Kent being very eager to help solve Lear's frustration with his daughters. Do you guys see Kent as a subversive? (Emery) I don't think Kent's a subversive. If he's willing to disguise himself to serve Lear, I don't think he would turn to undermine Lear's power. But, stranger things have happened, and Emmi makes a good point. (Mara)
In Act III so many false appearances are the cause of all the violence. Egdar's madman identity has Lear spinning off the rails with his mind everywhere. Lear saying "I'll talka word with this same learned Theban" shows that he's completely bonkers, thinking a hobo is a wise Greek man. Also, Kent's false appearance soon will get him into trouble, I'm sure. When Edmund finally tells his father how he betrayed him in Scene 5, it shows that lying and deception rule in this play. (Shae Hicks) Shae makes a great point: false appearances sometimes get people into trouble. Prediction wise, I believe this will come into play soon enough. (Emery) I second that, Emmi! (Mara)

Although I do agree with Kerstin that this is one fo the most "action" packed scene, but I feel as though the climax of the story is when King Lear meets "Poor Tom" which is Edgar in dressed as a homeless man. When they meet King Lear immanently thinks that the reason this man is poor and mad is because "Nothing could have subdued nature to such a lowness but his unkind daughters.". He also calls his daughters "pelican daughters", because young pelicans where known for drinking the blood of their parents. I feel this is when King Lear truly sees the evilness of his two daughters. He doesn't quite understand the wrongness of his ways yet, but I product that it will happen somewhere around the resolution of the play. ~Cheyenne
The theme of false appearances really confused me here and like Emmi first said, all of King Lear's followers are disguised. Maybe what it is trying to say is that though one might not be physically disguised, it does not mean that they are essentially real, such as when Mara said that Regan and Goneril are playing the sweet and innocent daughters, at first. Sometimes it takes a false, or made up character, to bring out the real truth in the story. (Zorida)
I agree with Mara on this one, everyone is in disguise and in some way is out for the King except for Cordelia. And like she said Kent and Edgar protect the King, but in disguise because they fear repercussions. And like we knew for the beginning his daughters ( besides Cordelia) act sweet and sympathetic hiding their true intentions on taking their father for what he's worth. (Jordan)
Shakespeare's use of irony aides in the dramatic irony within the play. False appearances help in providing the how easily one person can fool another into thinking that he is someone who hes not. Throughout the play we see different characters either dress and disguise themselves as someone or else or give false promises that will benefit them later. (Yoali)

3-Synthesize the meaning of the 'story within a story' and what it reveals about characters parameters

It is not accidental that Shakespeare reveals conflict in two households. The Gloucester subplot not only makes a statement, but furthers the theme of false appearances. This is possible through a parallel relationship that might add support to the notion of false appearances of loyalty; those that are truly loyal are often martyred for that which qualifies them. Do two stories support the claim with more emphasis?-Kathy Saunders When thinking of “a story within a story” the only thing that comes to mind is Edmund’s lies to both Edgar and Gloucester. Would someone please elaborate on his or her thoughts on this question? I’m confused. (Emery) You aren't alone on this one Emmi, I am also a little confused, because I really don't see a "story within a story" in this act, other than what you already mentioned above. Maybe the "story within a story" has to deal with the "story" that Kent and Edgar have to come up with about themselves, because they are disguised, but I don't know for sure. (Kerstin) I agree with Emery on the ‘story within a story.’ I was confused with why Edmund lied and why Edgar would go against his father. (Haley) I agree that the story within this story is what goes on between Edmund, Edgar, and Gloucester. However, this part has me confused as well. (Miranda)
The two story's that have came up so far are from King Lear and his daughters, and Glucester and his sons. The fathers have the same type of children, ambitious and cruel. I am really curios about the end; I wonder if the same thing is going to happen to both families. -Janneth I agree with Janneth. The subplot of Gloucester and his sons parallels King Lear and his daughters' story. Edmund, who is angry with his father, and jealous of his brother, Edgar (Cain and Abel, anyone?) creates an elaborate scheme to become rich, and bring them both into ruin. This is much like Goneril and Regan plotting to take all of Lear's power and land and leave him in desolation. Edgar and Cordelia parallel each other because not only are they the better children, but they were cast out because of it. (Mara)
The story within a story exists for the purpose of showing what happened with Lear and his daughters in a different way. It is just as sudden but we get to see both Edgar (Cordelias match) and Edmund (Regan, Goneril both) and how they change and react in accordance with what has occurred. I like Mara's point about Cain and Abel but I see it a little more as a the way Daedalus kills his nephew Perdix in Greek mythology. It isn't out of spite as much as out of opportunity. (Ethan) I do see your point, Ethan. However, I think that Regan and Goneril have pent up anger directed at their father. In the beginning of the play, Lear alludes to Cordelia being the favorite daughter, and I believe there is some jealousy there. And enough evil is shown in scene 7 to prove Regan and Goneril have the ability to be spiteful. But Regan and Goneril seem to to view their father's declining health as an opportunity to take his power. It will definitely be interesting to see how this will turn out! (Mara) I find Ethan's comparison to Edgar and Cordelia very interesting. I did not think about their relationship in this stories. I also like Mara's point about Cain and Edgar and I agree completely with her connection.
The only 'story within a story' I see would have to be King Lear's little speech with Tom (or Edgar) in Scene 4, Lear actually believing Edgar's really Tom. The whole back and forth chitchat shows that Lear's mind is in some other universe (metaphorically speaking).

The first story is about Reagan and Goneril's lies and betrayal to their father.Also how each charter is being drove crazier and crazier throughout all the drama and darkness illuminated everywhere The story within that story is the story of a Earl of Gloucester who has an evil son who sells out his own brother to become favorited. This little spawn also trades in his own father to become the new Earl of Gloucester.However, the fact that Edgar disguises himself as a homeless man whose already lost his mind further expands on the whole story within a story concept. This is like King Lear looking in the mirror and fnally realizing how much he royal messed up. ~Cheyenne
After reading all of your comments and really really really thinking and reading on this, I am still very confused. Maybe if I could get past all of the crazy grammar and annoying language I may be able to point out more of a Story within a Story. Although, I really like Mara's point of Cain and Abel, that would be a great allusion Shakespeere could have used. sorry about going off on the language... it just annoys me sometimes. (Cole)
I have to say that I can seem to find an example of a 'story within a story' but what Mara said does make sense about how Gloucester and his sons parallels to King Lear and his daughters. (Zorida)
I agree with Janneth. I'm glad that she was able to catch on to the "story within a story" because I was confused in what to answer. It is very correct the Gloucester's story is similar in Leas because they both have some betraying and fair children. The story within a story also relates to the question above about false appearances because the two fathers were fooled by the lies that their children told them. In Act III we see how both fathers lament their unfair judgement to the only children that were actually loyal and fair. (Yoali)

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Act II

Follow the same parameters from last week in terms of character updates and questions. This week let us add some predictions about the outcome.

1. Questions:
  • Why does Kent hate Oswald so much in act II, scene ii, and in the past when King Lear was still in charge of his kingdom?(Janneth) Kent may hate Oswald, because his "lord" hates Oswald as well. In Act I, Lear said a whole lot of negative things about Oswald, calling him a "whoreson dog! A slave! A cur!" Since Kent is so "close" to Lear, he may hate Oswald just because Lear does. (Kerstin) I agree with Kerstin here in that Kent may hate Oswald because he is close to King Lear and if Lear hates him then he believes that so should he. (Zorida) Kent is trying to kiss up to Lear by making fun of Oswald at first, then later, he just doesn't like the dude.(Shae)
  • Why does King Lear not see that his daughters are evil even when they treat him so wrong to his face?(God) Actually, to me, he did seem to notice a little, because whenever he saw Goneril, he said, "We'll no more meet, no more see one another. But yet thou art my flesh, my blood, my daughter; or rather a disease that's in my flesh." However, it seemed as if he went back to siding with her at the end of Act II. (Kerstin) I also agree with Kerstin, I feel like at the end of this act he saw his daughters true colors, and even wants to ""revenge" on them because they kick him out of their homes. . (Janneth) I agree with what is being said here, but I still wonder why it is if Lear sees his daughters true colors, does he still hate Cordelia. (EGDavis)
  • What do you think will happen to Edgar and Edmund? (Kerstin) I think that Edgar will hopefully come to realize that his half-brother, Edmund, is trying to set him up for wanting to kill their father. I think that Edgar will become a true hero if saves his father's life from Edmund's evil plot. (Yoali) I think that Edmund will get away with his plot, just from the ominous "wild night" or storm thats coming.(shae) Because this is a tragedy, I feel that Edgar will be found out due to his helping Edgar escape, and they will both be killed. (EGDavis)
  • What will Cordelia do after knowing that Kent is serving her father as a disguised old man? I think Cordelia will help Kent. Because Lear disowned her and made her an outcast, she can no longer help him directly. So, I think through Kent, she will indirectly care for her father. (Mara) I disagree. I think that Kent will be found out and in an act of rage Lear will have him killed. (EGDavis)
  • Do you think Lear still believes that he did Cordelia wrong? (Miranda)Yes, I do believe King Lear thinks Cordelia mistreated him. In Act II. iv. 247-251, he says that he believes that Goneril should earn praise because she wasn't the worst daughter- he was comparing Goneril to Cordelia. (Emmi) I believe that King Lear still believes that Cordelia is still at fault and still continues to curse at her and refuses to return to her. (Zorida) I agree with Emmi. I think after getting such terrible treatment from Goneril and Regan, he realizes his error and regrets treating Cordelia so poorly. (Mara) I think that King Lear is feeling kind of bad for what he did to Cordillia. It shows when he gets mad at Gonerelle and Regan, but he says "I'll not chide thee, let shame come when it will..." He doesn't take everything away, he lets them punish themselves through guilt.(shae)
  • Do you think King Lear has trust issues due to his wife? (Emmi) I think that he does have issues due to to his wife, he wants his daughters to love him more then anything. maybe that's why he was so upset with Cordelia when she did not tell him she loved him more anything. (Janneth) I agree with Janneth, I also believe that one of the causes for Lear's "who loves me more" game is probably due to his insecurities from what happened with his wife. (Yoali)
  • Do you think Lear will ever find out that Kent is serving him in disguise and if so, what do you think his reaction will be? (Mara) I think he'll figure it out eventually, but be forever grateful for his hard work. I actually stated this above, but I think that Kent will be found out, and then Lear will have him killed in a fit of rage due to his madness. Lear is having allot of issues due to him losing power as King. He wants to still be King but have none of the responsibility and I think finding out Kent, his most loyal servant, disobeyed him will get Kent killed. (EGDavis)
  • Is Shakespeare trying to say something from letting all the lying characters get all the praise? (Shae) I think this is another (and possibly the first) telling of the fact that honesty does not always get you further than a lier. (EGDavis)

2. Characters:

  • Lear: In this act we finely find out the reason for the absence of Lears’ wife, she committed adultery and their marriage ended up in divorce. He is no longer the confident king that gives orders and shelters his slaves, but now it’s the other way around, “I beg that you’ll vouchsafe me raiment, bed, and food.” He wants “revenges” on both Reagan and Goneril because they kept fighting about how many men they would allow him to have, and that offer decreased every time.
  • I feel Lear is having issues with his age. Not only because of his madness but because he still wants to be the King, but keeps unloading all the responsibilities of being the King. (EGDavis)
  • Lear has lost all that he had including respect and power over his kingdom. He has been decreased to nothing more than an "Old man" by his own daughters. He has no place to stay and no place to shleter his men and slaves. Prehaps he is being punished by God for his actions against his own loving daughter. We also see in this Act that King lear is most definatly going mad.(Cole)
  • I agree with Janneth and Cole on this. He is evidently going mad, and he is losing everything one by one. (Kerstin)
  • Lear has finally realized that he has given all his riches and belongings to the two daughters that promised to always and forever love him; all actuality they have set him aside to just being an "old man". Even though he has had a moment in which his daughters will not care for him by not allowing him to keep his one-hundred knights, he decides to give in to Goneril's wishes of only keep fifty where as Regan would only accept "five and twenty" in her home. He shows to have lost even his pride after begging his daughters for a place to live. (Yoali)I agree with everyone as well. He may not recognize himself as mad or crazy because he blames it on everyone else, "I shall go mad"/ "do not make me mad."He also believes that everyone owes him something, "I gave you all-." (Emmi)
  • He continues to refuse and to return to Cordelia and even goes on a rant describing her as ingrateful, scornful, and even curses her, but then later on he sees that Regan and Goneril both fail to want him in their houses only with certain conditions. I agree with everyone in that he is losing his mind and everyone that he loves. (Zorida)
  • I agree with everyone here. Lear is going mad. His language becomes more harsh as he says things such as "Strike her young bones!" and "My curses on her!" (Miranda)

  • Cordelia: Does not appear in this act, but my prediction is that she will be the one to save her father from the streets. She is the only one that truly “return those duties back as are right fit”, which would be to love him, and take care of him as he did when she was young. I also think she will save him from the streets but I also think that King Lear will not accept her help and continue to deny her.(Cole) I agree with Janneth, but I agree with Cole more whenever he states that Lear will probably still deny her, even whenever she may come back to help him. (Kerstin) I also believe that Cordelia will attempt to helpher father bhut with the help of Kent becasue she now knows that he is working for her father and is trying to have Lear trust him again. (Yoali) I also think that Cordelia will fail in an attempt to save her father even though she did not appear in this act. (Miranda)I agree with Miranda and Yoalia, but I still want to know if Kent is planning something subversive.(Emmi) I agree with Cole and Kerstin in that Cordelia might save him but that Lear will not accept her help. (Zorida)

  • Goneril: Her wickedness does not end in act I, in act II “she fail her obligation” to keep her father’s man. She dismissed almost half his man without his permission. She does nto love her father at all and sees him as an "old man" that is "unnecessary". I agree, she does not love him in the slightest. I believe that in the en, both her and her evil sister will be punished by either King Lear or by a higher power.(Cole) I agree with both statements, and all I can say is that she is becoming more and more nasty with each act... (Kerstin) In this act, Goneril seems to me lik e a huge hypocrite after answering Lear's question to Regan if she was going to, "take her by the hand?" Goneril asks Lear, "Why not by th' hand, sir? How have I offended?" She offended Lear by not wanting to speak with him and by telling her servantsto treat him bad in her home. (Yoali)Even after being scolded by Lear, Goneril is described as being "well favored" in comparison to Cordelia. She's still a "wicked creature" and Lear is beginning to see her true colors.(Emmi) Goneril is becoming more wicked and like Regan will only accept Lear under certain conditions and later when Lear leaves she says “’T is his own blame…. And must needs taste his folly.” (Zorida) I agree with Yoali. Goneril behaved differently in this act by not wanting to speak with him whereas she had said words such as "I love you more than words can wield," in act one.

  • Reagan: She is just a cruel as her sister, in act I we thought that maybe she was just following Goneril but she is indeed in control of her own feeling and is just as evil. “The old man and’s people cannot be well bestowed” I cannot imagine a daughter saying that in her household there is no room for her father to stay when all she has is because of him.
  • Reagan, though almost sympathetic in Act I, but in this Act we see her true self and her feelings towards her father. I predict that Reagan will possibly enter into conflict with her sister Goneril and will bring both of them to their fate.(Cole)
  • I agree with both statements once again, and we can definitly see her "true" colors now in this act. There is just one word to say for her AND Goneril's future; Karma... (Kerstin)
  • I also agree. Reagan only said what she did in the first act to please her father. (Miranda)In a ranking of Lear's favorites Reagan is at the top of the pyramid and "shalt never have Lear's curse." I agree with what Cole said about how sympathetic she was in the first act, and it almost seems like it when she offers for Lear to live with Goneril and then with her, but I think she is just offering in order to take over the Lear's kingdom. (Emmi)
  • Though she attempts to get King Lear to return to Cordelia, it is shown that she only wants it because she fears that one day he might wish the same upon her.She is also like Goneril and only wants riches and does not truly love their father. (Zorida)
  • I also agree with Janneth that in this act we see that Regan is in her own feelings because she scolds her father by telling him that he can only have "five and twenty" knights because she does not want that many of them to be living with her. She also shows that she does not want to have her father live with her and insists that Lear lives with Goneril. (Yoali)
  • I agree with everything that everyone has said here, especially Emmi. Becasue like everyone has said, King Lear is losing his mind and his evil daughters have now sensed that and are abusing it and him to get what they want. But i feel that Reagan is acting like she cares just because she is planning on getting ( taking ) something in return. Its obvious when she calls him an old man and tells him to appologize to Goneril. She also basically said that people should make his decisions for him cause he's too old. So like Emmi said, i think she may be trying to take over his kingdom. (Jordan)

Prediction: Since this is a tragedy story, I think that Goneril and Regan will end up dying because of their greed; maybe they end up killing each other since they are both alike and don’t care for no one that is not them. As for Cordelia, she will end up with everything and her father will be forever ashamed of what he did to her.(Janneth) I agree with this statement,but I don't really think Goneril and Regan will die in the end. I think that Karma will just run its course, and they will end up with absolutely nothing, like how their father is now. (Kerstin) In my opinion, Cordelia is most likely to die because she hasn't gotten what she deserves, and that would be quite tragic. (Miranda) I agree with Kerstin. I'm hoping that King Lear apologizes to Cordelia after he realizes Goneril's and Regan's true intentions. (Emmi) I agree with Kerstin and that Goneril and Regan will end up with nothing but I also hope that Cordelia does end up getting what she rightfully deserves. (Zorida) I also agree that Goneril and Regan will be left out in the streets, Lear will be forever alone, and that Cordelia will live with France who accepted her even after her father disowned her. (Yoali) Shakespeare's other works make me think that this is going to end with King Lear and Cordillia dead, and the 'bad guys' alive and well. (shae)
I feel that in the end everyone will always end up being dead except Lear and Cordelia. In spite Cordelia will leave him alone to die in his madness (EGDavis)

Hello to all! I am overwhelmed by your thoughtful responses and inquiries. I continue to enjoy your exchange of information and the respectful approach to disagreement, as well. Please reach out to your peers that are missing so that we may have full participation. -Kathy Saunders
Learning Goals:

1-Develop four questions that you want answered in the first act.
  • Why does the Prince of France choose to be with Cordelia? (Cheyenne)I think that its because he see that love cant be said with words. (Haley) I feel like the King of France chooses Cordelia because after seeing what happened, he might feel like she loves with her heart and demonstrates it with actions and not just words, like her sisters. He does not care about the dowry and possessions like the Duke of Burgundy does, seeing as Burgundy rejected her because of her loss of proposed portion. Also because he sees that she might be a better fit to be his companion and queen. (Zorida) I feel like "love looks not with the eyes but with the mind" comes into play here. The Prince of France seems like a big believer of honesty, and being true to one's self, so Cordelia and the Prince seem to be the perfect match because he loves her for who she is and she isn't afraid to be her own person. (Emmi) I agree with Zorid, I think that she is the better fit for him, or he wouldn't have chosen her as his queen when she doesn't have anything on her name. That speaks very well of him. I agree with Emmi and Zorida. The King of France looks past her "flaws" and sees a person who is not afraid to speak her mind. He doesn't seem to care about her lack of a dowry or connections after being disowned by her father, and I think it speaks volumes about his character. (Mara)
  • Why does Kent attempt to protect Cordelia? I agree. I feel as though Kent tries to protect everyone. He tries to bring reason to Lear's madness, and tries to reason with him. He is the only one (in or out of disguise) who can attempt to have Lear reconsider his rash, unfair decisions. (Cheyenne) I mean, he even comes back to help the king that banished him. Why?? -shae I feel like the reason why he keeps coming back is because he sees King Lear as a father figure. He states, "honour'd as my king, loved as my father, as my master follow'd." He feels like he owes his life and gratitude to him, even though his age is causing madness and effecting his decisions. (Zorida) I don't have any textual support about my thought but i think he is not helping everyone just to do so, but for his benefit. I just think its weird that he is so nice and i think maybe there's more behind it.(Janneth)
  • What's a knave? A knave is a servant. -Miranda
  • Why is King Lear so narcissistic that he would disown his favorite daughter because she refused to flatter him? -Mara I think that at the time whenever he said that, he didn't realize exactly what he was saying, and what was going on. Later on in the Act,he did say that he had "done her wrong," and the book also said something about him becoming old and "mad." (Kerstin) I agree with Kerstin, he did realize that he did her wrong. I think that at the beginning when he wanted her to flatter him, he did it because he was so us to begin flatter, being the kind and all, that he demanded that off his daughters as well. (Janneth)
  • Is Shakespeere saying something negative about marriage with the "no-show" of King Lears wife? or is he asking a rehtorical question about marriage?- Cole Gregson I think that it is actually both. Going off of what Ms. Saunders said, Shakespeare did have a complicated life story, so he might actually be saying something negative about it. BUT at the same time, he could ALSO be asking a rhetorical question for the reader about marriage. (Kerstin) I agree with Kerstin, Shakespeare is definitely giving a negative connotation of marriage. Not only is King Lear's wife a "no show," but his daughters' marriages (except Cordelia's) aren't the best either.
  • He may have a point in it due to the absence of Lear's wife and his need for his daughters love, but there is also Cordelia's point about "Why have my sister husbands, if they say they love you all?" saying that when a daughter takes a husband she no longer loves her father.-EGDavis I disagree, when a daughter gets married, she has to share her love with her father and her husband. Cordelia says when she gets married with her husband, she "shall carry half my love with him, half my care and duty", while the other half is with her father. She says she will never "love my father all". (Cheyenne) I agree with Ethan, I think he is making a statement with the no wife thing. Shakespeare and his wife were having a rough patch when he wrote this (like Mrs. Saunders said), and his personal life obviously reflects into his work. -shae
  • What is a Fool? (Haley) A fool is like a jester. They are used to provide entertainment to a king. A fool, or jester, would sing, dance, tell humorous stories, or provide advice much in the way the character Fool tries to show Lear the error of his ways through being given an egg.-EGDavis
  • Does the lost of his favorite daughter affect king Lear in any way? (Janneth) That's what i was wondering, to me he seems like it didn't bother him and he'd be better off without her. (Haley) Actually, in the end of the Act, he did say that he had "done her wrong," so he does seem to care a little bit, but that is just me. (Kerstin) I agree with Kerstin. Losing his daughter did bother him. I also think that part of the reason that he banished her was because he did not want to have to share her with anyone else. -Miranda Shakespeere had three children, one that died at a young age, he could be using that loss as inspiration for how he chose King Lear to act with the absence of his daughter. (Cole)
  • I may be the only one, but does the "Fool" seem to be more intelligent than King Lear?- Kerstin I don't know if he is necessarily more intelligent, but he is more level headed. As has been said, Lear is going mad and his mind is not where it should be in what seems to be an ever increasing majority of the time and Fool is able to see things in a way that Lear cannot.-EGDavis
  • Will the two sisters Goneril and Regan end up suffering consequences from having to repair Lear's estate after his eventual death?-EGDavis I hope they do, and from what it seems, they should at some poin in time, probably right at the end. (Kerstin) I am almost positive they will suffer greatly, otherwise there would be no great moral of the story. Also, there is a lot of foreshadowing of this with the Kings insanity and the evil deception of his daughters. (Cole)
  • Will King Lear take the advice that his Fool gave him or will his insanity cloud his judgment? (Yoali) In my opinion, I think that he will TRY to take the Fool's advice, but end up not, because of his "madness." (Kerstin) I agree with Kerstin on this one. I think that he will get to caught up in all the chaos that he will forget about the Fool's advice. (Emery Bulla)
  • How are Edgar and Edmund significant? –Miranda
2-Provide your opinion of each daughter and King Lear using textual support in the form of quotations.
Here is Emery's post that was seemingly deleted:

Cordelia: Cordelia is thoughtful, and honest. She struggles with speaking true to her emotion, "my love is more ponderous than my tounge." She is loyal and feels it necessary to be kind to her father and "return those duties back as right are fit" even though Lear banished her from his kingdom. I agree that Cordelia struggles with speaking her mind. As her sisters are presenting their case, she stands off to the side pondering "what shall Cordelia do?" She also states how stressed she is because she "cannot heave" her heart into her mouth. She seems to really love and cherish her father, though.-Miranda

Regan: Regan is "made of that self mettle" as Goneril. She is deceitful and a brown-noser, " I profess myself an enemy to all other joys."

King Lear: King Lear is an aging and is easily impressed by the eloquent words of his daughters. When Goneril and Regan do as requested of them, "you shall we say doth love us most," King Lear rewards them. He is more concerned with being praised then doing the right thing. After "disclaiming parental care" of Cornelia for being truthful, you can truly sense how mad he is. (Emery)
  • King Lear- He is an "all-licensed fool". His based his judgement on only the amount of words, not the sincerity of the words them self. He forgets that "love's not love" when you think with you ego, instead of your heart.(Cheyenne) (He is very egotistical, and changes his mind a lot.) ​(I agree with Shae. The book hints at his old age, and he's probably adjusting to this point in his life. Because he can't do things he could do when he was young, or might be more forgetful, etc., he's wanting to lift up his self-esteem a bit, and became angry when Cordelia refused to do so. So he made a rash decision, one which he will probably regret...but won't necessarily admit. -Mara) All that has been said by those before me is true, but at the end of the first act Lear does realize "I did her wrong-", so he is not completely devoid of a moral compass. I think his maddening mind just makes him take this in a harsher manner then he should, like when he banished Kent.-EGDavis (Lear seems like just a stubborn old man who needs the assurance that he is indeed loved, foolish in that he believes words over actions. He banishes the one daughter that really loves him and keeps with him the ones who lie and deceit him only to gain wealth and riches. Like Kent said “power to flattery bows,” he is being foolish in giving his lands to daughters who use flattery and lies to get what they want.-Zorida) I agree with Mara when she said that Lear is wanting to lift up his self-esteem by wanting to hear flattering words of affection from his daughters. Lear says, "which of you shall we say doth love us most?" to me, this seems very wrong from his part because he he would rather believe some foolish words other than believe the past actions that his daughters have given him to show their love. (Yoali)At this point I’m not sure if I pity him for being called a “fool” by not only his fool but his daughter, or feel joy that he is getting what he deserves for banishing her youngest daughter.(Janneth) He seems to be the type that goes by his way in his way only. If its not done the way he wants he takes things to the extreme. (Haley) I agree with what EVERYONE has said, and there is not much else i can add here, other than I DO think he has "decent" intentions, but can not get them out right, due to his "madness." (Kerstin) I agree with everyone. Lear seems to be a bit selfish, needing reassurance from his daughters.-Miranda
  • Cordelia- She is reasonable, honest, and blunt. She loves her father in a realistic way, "as are right fit", and she's not going to lie and sugar cost everything to get what she wants. But once she is "forsaken", she learns that she is the "most rich being poor". I think that "time shall unfold" and everything will be set right, with the sisters getting nothing, and Cordelia getting everything she deserves. (Cheyenne) (Lear already "loves her the most", so she must have a good relationship with her father.)(I agree with Ms. Saunders. This happened in "Midsummer" and I think it will here too...eventually everything will be set right. -Mara) (She seems to believe that her love should speak for itself rather than some sugar-coated false words. Like she said “I am sure my love’s more ponderous than my tongue,” she feels like her love should weigh and count more than just words arranged in a form fit to impress the King. She speaks her mind and sticks with what she believes in, like when she refused to speak of her love and when she accepted that she would not be with Burgundy due to his “respects of fortune.” - Zorida) Cordelia is honest and should be seen as respectful young woman even though her father does not see it that way. I was impressed when she respnd to her father, "Unhappy that I am, I cannot heave/My heart into my mouth." because it demonstrates that the true love that she has cannot simply put into words like her sisters' false love. I love how she would risk it all by saying the truth and how she feels instead of playing her fathers game/test. (YoaliThe daughter that was “disclaim,” and seen as the one who did her father wrong I think is the one who truly loves his father “according to my bond,” she said. The other sister doesn’t even have that even though they said otherwise.(Janneth) She is the one who sees things for the long run instead of right now. I think she deserves greatness by telling the truth to her father without sugarcoating her feelings. (Haley) I agree with everyone, once again, but I also will add something else. I think that she already KNEW what was going to happen, and what IS going to happen in the future, because, as Haley said, she looks ahead, rather than at the now. (Kerstin)Cordelia: Cordelia is thoughtful, and honest. She struggles with speaking true to her emotion, "my love is more ponderous than my tounge." She is loyal and feels it necessary to be kind to her father and "return those duties back as right are fit" even though Lear banished her from his kingdom.

  • Goneril- She is a "crab", a "monster", and evil. She says that she loves him more than "eye-sight, space, and liberty". But she soon gets sick of her "old fool" of a father and plots to treat him horrible so that he will leave. Which n turn, makes father wish her sterile, and wish that if she does have children, that those children give her pain "sharper than a serpents tooth". (Cheyenne) (Shes a liar, she says she loves her father, but she "will not speak with him.")(She seems very bitter. I think because she never had her father's attention and wasn't the favorite before the fallout with Cordelia, she is now taking out her pent-up anger on him. -Mara) (I agree with Mara in that Goneril seems very bitter and that the reason may be because she isn’t the favorite or she might feel less loved than her other sisters. I feel like she acts like this because King Lear’s favorite seems to be Cordelia and she feels alone because even Regan has company in her marriage with Cornwall. She is also hypocritical in saying to Cordelia that, “well are worth the want that you have wanted, “ because she says that Cordelia shows no affection to her father when in reality it is her that shows none for her father. She also might be doing this as a result of her feeling wronged by her father "by day and night." - Zorida) Goneril is rude and evil like her sister. I agree with Cheyenne because when Lear was in her castle (after giving her his fortune) she gets tired of having him there and tells Oswald that, "I will not speak with him. Say I am sick." she does not care or have any affection towards him. (Yoali)The “eldest born” who cried her love to her father as “a love that makes breath poor and speech unable,” but of course she is just lying to get her father’s riches. Goneril has developed a strong hate rate for him since he “by day and night wrongs” her.(Janneth) She says to her father, "I love you more than words can wield the matter." To me this stood out because if words couldn't "wield the matter" than she would be like Cordelia and tell him that only her feelings can be showed, not told. So I take that as a lie. (Haley) I agree with everyone again, and there is really nothing else I can really add, other than I hate her. (Kerstin) I am once again in agreement with my classmates. Goneril wants to please her father by feeding him words such as "I love you more than words can wield the matter," but her words are empty as she is only jealous of Cordelia, who is favored by her father.-Miranda
    Goneril: There are few, if not any, differences between the way Goneril and Regan act towards their father. Goneril, the oldest, is also deceitful when filling King Lear's head with fake compassion, "I do love you more than words can wield the matter." After filling his head with her love "beyond all manner," she goes behind his back and tells Oswald to "put on what weary negligence you please," and disrespect the King and his knights.
  • Regan- She is evil like her sister, "a crab does to a crab". But she must love her father more than her sister, because her sister love for her father, compared to hers, "comes too short". (Cheyenne) ( She's also a liar. She says she's "felicate in your dear highness' love" yet she is married. Cordelia said it best, "Why have my sister husbands, if they say they love you all?") (I haven't gotten onto Regan yet, but I feel like Goneril is the worst of the sisters. I don't think she has as much bitterness as Goneril...Mara) (Regan is just a liar, she claims that Gonerils’ words “comes too short” of her love, but later simply says that “he hath ever but slenderly known himself," I mean that doesn't sound she really loves him, and later agrees to consider teaming up with Goneril to assure their future fortunes, meaning she is just greedy, like Goneril. -Zorida) Not much has really been said about Regan other than she is as evil as her sister. With this being said I do believe that she does not have as much hatred as Goneril but does want to stay wealthy. (Yoali) I have not figured out Regan yet, but so far I’m getting the feeling were she wants to be “ prized” just like Goneril will, just because she is her older sister and has not figured out where she stands.(Janneth) I noticed that she tries to take what her sister Goneril says and add on. So she makes herself seem as if her love is greater than her sister's because she'll speak more upon it. (Haley) I agree with everyone on this as well, and to me, there is not much to say about Regan. I think that she is not the worst sister, but she is also liar, which is not a good thing. (Kerstin)Regan: Regan is "made of that self mettle" as Goneril. She is deceitful and a brown-noser, " I profess myself an enemy to all other joys." In my opinion, Reagan and Goneril are competing with Cordelia for their father's favor. Regan knows that she must do better in her speech than Goneril did, so she tells Lear "She comes too short: that I profess myself an enemy to all other joys..." -Miranda

3-Identify yourself in your response of at least 200 words and make sure you respond to at least two peers. First entry must be made by Saturday at 5pm. The second entry, or response to two peers, is due by Sunday 9pm.

Recap: Answer the question that appeals to you or create your own. This response, as well as the response in question two, should be at least a minimum of 200 words. Please respond with your own conclusions and thoughts using academic language, proper spelling, punctuation, and grammar.